Comrade, they buy the rope for us!
Posted by aogWednesday, 09 October 2013 at 18:16
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This article makes a point that occurred to me after I read Russian President Vladimir Putin’s editorial in the New York Times. That is, Putin’s writers clearly have read the works of the MAL and cleverly served up their own tropes to smash President Obama. This puts Obama and his supporters in a bind, because to argue against Putin’s agitprop they would have to disown their own well recorded oikophobia which would be more hurtful than taking the hit from Putin. It is a measure of the MAL’s parochialism and lack of thoughtfulness that enables brutes like Putin to get away with being brutes will styming any reponse from the USA as long as it has a MAList government.
But of course, for the MAL, there are no foreign enemies, only domestic ones. That’s why Obama will eagerly (if not pathetically) grasp any negotiating straw from place like Iran, but won’t talk to the Congressional GOP. One can’t help but laugh, though, at Obama cancelling his Asian trip so he can sit in the White House and not negotiate. Surely he could have done that in Asia too, or would it have been too much for him to talk with foreign leaders and not talk to domestic ones at the same time?
Thursday, 10 October 2013 at 07:18|
Well, the implication “being a GOP politician” -> “his statements are false” is yours, not mine.
I’ve indeed thought you’ve read Boehner’s jab, and was building upon it. There is nothing wrong with that. If you did not and got the same line by yourself, there is also not much merit on that too. This is all about a very petty fight, with petty actors, no profound insight is coming from this.
Now, I really do not know from where you got that struggles “about money and power” can easily be solved over tea.
> Do you agree […] there is no point in talking to the Speaker […]?
Maybe I get your country too wrong, AOG, but in my worldview of your politics, politicians of contrary parties do not sit down and talk like people trying to reach a consensus, or like you and me right here. I mean, they sit down and pose for pictures pretending they do that, but it is only theater.
They all have their games of power and try to checkmate the other one by building majorities, exchanging favors and pulling leverages of projects that bring power, money and influence among their constituences.
Right now the Democrats calculated that this shutdown, and further debt ceiling fight, will probably give them political advantadge over Republicans, for they think the majority of your population will blame GOP for the mess. And also to portray the GOP as irrational may play well too. Other important thing in their calculus is that to surrender and give up on ACA would be akin to political suicide. So, any tea with Boehner will be just for the sake of tea.
Now, the political calculation of the GOP is way less transparent to me. Maybe a couple of them are doing it because they are true believers, but most of them are playing for their basis. They are trying to maneuver the situation in such a way that they look tough even if they do not win. So they will not reach agreement up to the last point, because otherwise they would look weak, they would not convince you they tried hard enough (which means, again, that tea now is just tea). There is also another part of GOP which is not comfortable with this standoff, it can hurt their financiers, and they are trying to use the apparent “irrationality” of their colleagues to gain leverage with the Big Pockets, like posing they can control the monster and should be well paid for that.
It is a chicken game, but it won’t lead to civil war. Unless you and your pals get too sick of it and start one. Not probable. Your insurance would not pay for the damages.
Thursday, 10 October 2013 at 15:05|
Language tip, then - to “buy a line” is to believe a false statement.
Thanks, I did not know it implied a judgment on the statement.
Most voters will consider the “no negotiation” as the best evidence of that.
Well, if I believe most non-right wing media, that is not true.
On the larger scale, it’s clear a large majority wants to see serious spending cuts
And here the very same comment is valid.
At this point the ACA is such an obvious train wreck the GOP may well be willing to let it fail on its own.
This is exactly what has been pointed out, by pro-ACA people, as evidence that ACA is working and that deep fear of its success is the motivation for this shutdown.
If you stop to think, they have a point. What is the logic of such a bitter fight from GOP’s point of view, if they truly believe ACA is a train wreck? On the contrary, they should invite the train wreck so they can show to everyone they were right - and it would be much easier, after that, to change it.
[…] but I don’t see how, in your view, it doesn’t, if there is to not be even the pretense of negotiation.
Well, in my view I’ve stated more than once that this is a petty fight, and people hardly go to war for petty fights.
I am under the impression that my view of politics is way more cynical than yours. I believe rarely one of those politicians truly believe what they say - and this is one more reason I think it is nonsense to portray any of them as real socialists. And another reason why it would not lead to a civil war - people using masks in a theater play only go to fake wars.