Mystery of purpose
Posted by aogMonday, 23 September 2013 at 19:43 TrackBack Ping URL

Apparently amnesty for illegal immigrants is switching to Plan B after the initial partially honest plan failed to come together. I understand why the oikophobic Democratic Party wants to do this (to help with that “fundamental transformation” of the USA) but what could the GOP supporters possibly see in it, other than ‘I’ll gladly sell out my party and my nation for a nickel”? There’s no political upside for the GOP nor for the supporters personally, except a momentary stroke by Old Media (which will last until a villain is needed for The Narrative). These people are utterly incomprehensible to me. Can any one explain it to me?

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Robert M Mitchell Jr. Monday, 23 September 2013 at 20:05

Because it’s the right thing to do. America is a great country, and we should welcome those who want to keep us great. You could say that you don’t have a problem with that, they just need to do that legally, but, alas, as we saw with the IRS, doing it “legally” means, in reality, paying off the corrupt democrats in charge (in this case, the INS/ICE/Whatever), or not doing it at all, or only after it’s meaningless(Aka, True the Vote getting tax exempt status, now that the election is over). As it stands, on public record, it takes over twenty years and twenty thousand dollars to get past the “Legal Requirements”. So our system lets in the spies, the crooks, the terrorists, the welfare parasites, and keeps out those who actually want to be Americans. Thanks Teddy!

It’s true this doesn’t help the Republican party politically, but then, neither did the fight against Slavery, or the fight for Civil Rights. Those sorts of people are Democrats, willing to murder children if there’s a vote in it for them, as we saw with Obama’s “stand” for children who survived Abortion. That’s not what calls people to be Republicans.….….

Annoying Old Guy Monday, 23 September 2013 at 20:54

Well, knowing quite a few legal immigrants, their view was that the INS et. al. were massively incompetent, not corrupt. Even if that was the problem it would seem a better approach would be to break the corruption, rather than just give up our borders and sovereignty.

So our system lets in the spies, the crooks, the terrorists, the welfare parasites, and keeps out those who actually want to be Americans

Um, those are precisely the people you think “it is the right thing to do” to grant citizenship. You think we should complete Ted Kennedy’s immigration plan? That’s been the Democratic Party plan all along, destroying our control of our borders to “elect a new people” in effect, and now you think the only right thing to do is join it?

It’s interesting, though, that the primary spokesmen trying to sell this go on about the electoral advantages (or costs if not done). Why do you think that is, if they are honorable men? Do they just think their party isn’t?

Robert M Mitchell Jr. Monday, 23 September 2013 at 21:34

Of course, the reach of the INS being what it is, they have to say that, especially if they think it’s corrupt, lest they get deported, yes? “Oh, I’m sorry, your papers weren’t in order after all.…..”. Yes, break the corruption, break Ted Kennedy’s vile quota system. Don’t “punish the GUILTY!!!!!”, until we have the bureaucrats under some control. Right now, we have seen the “Justice” department take out two sitting U.S. Senators (Ted Stevens, Tom DeLay), without any blow-back. Now is not the time to give the INS to deport at will. It is time for Republican Civil Disobedience.…..

Ah, no, “those people” had no problem coming in “legally”, as we saw with the 9/11 hijackers, and the recent Russian spies. They, “amazingly”, went to the head of the line, and had no problems getting their papers. Funny that we all agree that it takes twenty years, but the 9/11 hijackers got theirs in months. Can’t be corruption, right?

Ah, it’s always been the right thing to do. It was right to let in the “Irish”, the “Germans”, the “Jews”, the “Vietnamese”, etc, etc, etc. We have always been a nation of immigrants, and we have always seen those who would shut the door behind them. The “Know Nothing” parties that keep popping up. You might be right that it’s different THIS time, but you asked why Republicans would be pushing for this, as they correctly did in the past. Certainly not the mystery you made it out to be.

Meh, the Republicans do better in the polls when they do the right thing, and when the Media can’t take a vocal fraction of the Party (Danged Freedom loving Republicans. Democrats understand how to keep on Message! On pain of being kicked out of the Hive!) and make them the face of the party. Same thing here. Trying hard to shut up what they see as “Know Nothings”.

Robert M Mitchell Jr. Monday, 23 September 2013 at 21:36

Sigh. “Give the INS the power to deport at will.”.

erp Monday, 23 September 2013 at 22:10

Hi Robert.

Robert M Mitchell Jr. Monday, 23 September 2013 at 22:18

Howdy, Erp.

Annoying Old Guy Monday, 23 September 2013 at 22:50

Of course, the reach of the INS being what it is, they have to say that, especially if they think it’s corrupt, lest they get deported, yes?

Um, no. These were people who had become naturalized citizens, so deportation wasn’t a concern.

To me, the key thing is to secure the border. If you can’t do that, then what’s the point of having any immigration policy at all?

But tell me how any of the immigration policies promoted by the “Gang of Eight” (or whatever number it is now) would have any effect on any of the problems you mention.

Robert M Mitchell Jr. Monday, 23 September 2013 at 23:25

Naturalized citizens according to who? Why, the INS, and if the INS were to say that you were not, in fact, a naturalized citizen and deport you, what could you do? Perhaps go to an American Embassy, and show them your “forged, according to the INS” documents? Heck, we saw that almost happen to one of the 9/11 widows, it was only stopped because the media got hold of it, remember? Gosh, hope they don’t pick an exciting news day to come after you.….. No, the INS has control over who is a “citizen”, and they have the power to deport, and if they “skip” a few steps, they know they won’t get punished any more then the Justice Department did for committing fraud against Ted Stevens, a sitting U.S. Senator.

As to “securing the border”, well, one, we’ve never been able to do that, the border is too long, and two, the British Empire did just fine without any immigration policy, or even passports, for over a hundred odd years. Perhaps there is no point.

Not claiming they would, just pointing out that we are being distracted from the actual problems by the current corrupt, evil, incompetent system. Again, you asked for an explanation, and this is what is going on, and it seems better grounded in history then the opposing side, which has to explain why the immigration wave that let them in was just fine, despite the burning fears of the “Know Nothings”, as opposed to this wave, which will DOOM us all!

Annoying Old Guy Tuesday, 24 September 2013 at 00:06

Explaining the difference in immigration waves between then and now? The welfare state. Get rid of that and we probably could open the borders. But currently securing the border seems much easier than reverting to the minimal state of the previous immigration waves.

Robert M Mitchell Jr. Tuesday, 24 September 2013 at 00:20

Given the success of Texas, which is dealing with the “wave” just fine, and the success in rolling back the welfare state (the government union part) in Wisconsin, I am hard pressed to believe that building a wall that can be seen from Lunar orbit would be easier. Especially since I know the “Wall” would be run and staffed by the INS, the same clowns who gave a entrance visa to one of the 9/11 hijackers months after his very, very public death.….….

Robert M Mitchell Jr. Monday, 14 October 2013 at 18:03

A little something for you AOG. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131008/10261124794/dhs-has-been-using-fake-mexican-constitution-article-to-deport-us-citizens-35-years.shtml

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