"Exactly what the gun nuts predicted"
Posted by aogMonday, 15 August 2011 at 15:25 TrackBack Ping URL

Gun Crime Drops At Virginia Bars And Restaurants After Liberalized Carry Rules

In other words, exactly what carry advocates predicted, and exactly the opposite of what anti-gun folks predicted. Again.


I don’t post these so much so I can write “I told you so!” (although I do enjoy that aspect) but far more to illustrate how there are so many things the MAL consider beyond debate that are, in fact, quite debatable, even if the standard response is “you crazy extremist racist theocrat!”.

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Hey Skipper Tuesday, 16 August 2011 at 09:09

Gunnism. Warmenism.

Virtually the same set of people are fervent adherents to both. Coincidence? I think not.

Harry Eagar Wednesday, 31 August 2011 at 14:33

It’s pretty hard to get below zero.

I was a newspaper reporter in the largest city in Virginia for 9 years. During that period there was one — count ‘em, 1 — episode of gun violence in a bar. The locally famous Club 509 massacre, in which a mentally ill religious nut decided to shut down a saloon full of whores and gamblers.

The carry rules in those days were strict, but the victims were mostly armed anyway. Didn’t do ‘em any good, though.

Annoying Old Guy Thursday, 01 September 2011 at 10:50

So this is even more significant than it looks, because the rate was already so low that this further drop is actually astonishing. Thanks for noting that.

Harry Eagar Friday, 02 September 2011 at 13:29

First, there was no ‘further drop.’

Second, nobody knows how many people were carrying illegally in the old days, but the number was probably high. There were certain bars, like Club 509, where you could assume there were lots of illegally armed patrons.

There was plenty of gunplay, but not typically in saloons. Your chance of being shot was high if you drove a taxi or worked at the Stop ‘N Rob.

Annoying Old Guy Friday, 02 September 2011 at 15:39

First, there was no ‘further drop.’

That’s not what the article claims. Are you saying a newspaper put out bogus information? Which of these article quotes do you think are wrong?

The number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2 percent from July 1, 2010, to June 30, 2011, compared with the fiscal year before the law went into effect, according to crime data compiled by Virginia State Police at the newspaper’s request.

A total of 145 reported crimes with guns occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11, or eight fewer than the 153 incidents in fiscal 2009-10

As for your other points, I don’t see how they relate to the point of this post, which is that opponents of these changes to gun laws predicted a significant rise in gun related crime which did not occur, and that conversely the predictions of the proponents (that no such rise would occur) were correct.

Hey Skipper Monday, 19 September 2011 at 05:47

Just thought you might appreciate the NYT’s latest blast on this subject, from which comes this gem:

In its wrongheaded 2008 decision recognizing an individual’s Second Amendment right to keep guns in the home for self-defense, the Supreme Court still left room for reasonable gun limits, including restrictions on toting concealed weapons.

Just as I was starting to forget how much I loathe the NYT, too.

Annoying Old Guy Monday, 19 September 2011 at 08:36

I just heard someone local pushing for “shall issue” concealed carry in Illinois using the argument “we’re the only state that doesn’t legalize it” in almost a perfect echo of the anti-capital punishment crew. I expect all the people who were aghast at how out of step Illinois was then will be quite happy to be out of step on this issue.

Hey Skipper Tuesday, 04 October 2011 at 15:57

Crime Plummets in Chicago and DC after handguns re-legalized.

Just awful, clouding the issue with facts again.

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