Exactly what it says on the tin
Posted by aogSunday, 06 June 2010 at 11:32 TrackBack Ping URL

A reader of Instapundit writes

Long time reader, first time writer. 22 years old. Just wanted to comment briefly on something you mentioned about Obamacare. I have a lot of friends my own age who were all for socialized medicine, and wholeheartedly supported the idea of healthcare reform. We’re talking very, very, very liberal kids. They hate this thing. The overwhelming consensus among kids my age is pretty much as follows: We pay into social security which we KNOW we’ll never get anything from. In much the same vein, Obamacare is yet another way in which we’re being taxed to support a bunch of old people. Overwhelmingly, we feel that we’re being taken advantage of to subsidize a bunch of old people we don’t know, will never meet, and frankly shouldn’t need to be paying to support. Overwhelmingly, we had hoped to see a health care system that didn’t take advantage of young people and burden them even more than we already are. College loans are killing us, social security payments take a chunk out of every check, for those of us lucky enough to have jobs, and now this.

I can’t even tell you how many people my own age who voted for Obama have come to me and told me how disappointed they are in what he’s done with this whole thing.

Well, dudes, that’s how socialism works, it’s how any actual socialized health care system must work, unless the herd of unicorns with leprechaun gold arrive to save the day. Your error was not spending 2 minutes thinking through the question “who needs the health care?”.

What I wonder is whether socialism now, finally, has come to mean “take money from other people and give it to me” instead of the “solidarity” propaganda?

Of course, our modern youth do not have a monopoly on that sort of hazy wish fulfillment thinking. As the Wall Street Journal notes

Almost everything Congress has done in recent months has made private businesses less inclined to hire new workers. ObamaCare imposes new taxes and mandates on private employers. Even with record unemployment, Congress raised the minimum wage to $7.25, pricing more workers out of jobs. The teen unemployment rate rose to 26.4% in May, and for those between the ages of 25 and 34 it rose to 10.5%. These should be some of the first to be hired in an expansion because they are relatively cheap and have the potential for large productivity gains as they add skills.

The “jobs” bill that the House passed last week expands jobless insurance to 99 weeks, while raising taxes by $80 billion on small employers and U.S-based corporations. On January 1, Congress is set to let taxes rise on capital gains, dividends and small businesses. None of these are incentives to hire more Americans.

Congress says “we will punish employers until they start hiring again!”. This is the end result of a system of thought that always blames the private sector (or “wreckers”) for any failure of government policy. It’s basically the same thing I noted earlier — our ruling class simply cannot grasp the fact that you can’t overcome reality through legislation.

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ATorturouslyRoughRoadAhead Sunday, 06 June 2010 at 13:19

…unless the herd of unicorns with leprechaun gold arrive to save the day.

Well, they just might.

I don’t think that it’s a high-percentage probability, but it’s certainly a possibility. At some point, advances in computer speed, AI programming, robotics, nanotech and biotech will result in MASSIVE gains in productivity, biggening the pie to be divvied up.

If that process happens quickly enough, say within the next fifteen years, then we’re saved. If it doesn’t happen for thirty years, then the Boomers are scroomed.

My expectation is that the latter will occur, but I’m pulling for the former.

And regardless of which case manifests in the fullness of time, first we have to get through the gauntlet of next five years, which are going to be straight from the infernum damnatorum. Only those with memories of the Great Depression or WW II, such as possibly erp, will have seen the like. The ‘70s will be “the good ol’ days” in comparison.

ATorturouslyRoughRoadAhead Sunday, 06 June 2010 at 13:28

Overwhelmingly, we feel that we’re being taken advantage of to subsidize a bunch of old people we don’t know, will never meet, and frankly shouldn’t need to be paying to support.

As an aside, yes, the kids are being taken advantage of, BUT in a general sense those “old people” are people that the kids HAVE met: Their parents and grandparents. Without SS & Medicare, the burden of caring for them would STILL be falling on these kids.

The point of contention, which is very real and quite justified, is whether the supporter or the supported get to define the level of support. While the supported have the upper hand now, ultimately it’s the supporters who get the final say, although there will be extreme collateral damage along the way.

Bret Sunday, 06 June 2010 at 14:18

Rough wrote: “BUT in a general sense those “old people” are people that the kids HAVE met…

Yeah, I was enlightened to that fact about 25 years ago when I talked to a friend about the need to cut Social Security benefits in order to make it sustainable for the long term. His reply: “Cut Social Security benefits? Are you kidding? Then my parents would have to move in with me and that would be a fate worse than death!!!!!!!” He was serious, too.

That’s when I realized were just gonna have to let it crash and burn (or hope for the unicorns).

Bret Sunday, 06 June 2010 at 14:21

Congress raised the minimum wage to $7.25

I’m still amazed at the concept of a minimum wage. To tell someone, “You are not allowed to work, even if you’re starving to death, unless you can convince someone else to pay you at least $7.25 per hour”, seems to me to be completely immoral. I don’t get why anyone thinks that’s okay.

erp Sunday, 06 June 2010 at 17:40

I don’t get that a 22 year old kid who’s never paid his own way doesn’t see what he owes his elders who’ve worked and paid taxes all their lives and pay them still even though they’re retired, so he could go to public school, use subsidized public transportation, get low cost loans for college, grants, and so many other freebies he, no doubt, takes for granted.

Perhaps Obama’s insurance scam will be so blatant an example of why socialism doesn’t work that even those who think socialism is great because it never occurred to them that they’d ever be the ones kicking into the pot, will have their eyes opened.

Thank you Law of Unintended Consequences and Bret, I couldn’t agree more that minimum wage laws are wrong for a multitude of reasons.

erp Sunday, 06 June 2010 at 18:00

Rough, While the supported have the upper hand now, ultimately it’s the supporters who get the final say, although there will be extreme collateral damage along the way.

You are, of course, saying that we geezers who’ve been the supporters paying the bills will now stop supporting/indulging youngsters and force hard labor on them, so they can learn what it’s like to earn a living. Collateral damage will be that there will be fewer young people in the streets taking drugs, drinking and driving. They’ll be too tired from working 10-15 hour days for whatever pay we choose to give them. Hard tack and water should do for them with an occasional apple to keep up their strength.

The whining is getting sickening. Nobody in my crowd wants to be taken in by our children and for sure none of us is living on social security and if Medicare is costing a fortune, that fortune goes for the bureaucracy/administrative costs, not to us. We’d be far better off we could buy an insurance policy instead of paying over $12,000/yr in insurance premiums and other costs.

Luckily us geezers didn’t live for the moment and planned a conservative retirement. It’ll serve us to the end with even a little left over for the grandchildren if the socialists in Washington don’t destroy the economy and confiscate our nest eggs.

Barry Meislin Monday, 07 June 2010 at 02:50

If those kids had any sense of responsibility, they’d get good and sick—-or hurt—-as early in life as possible just so’s they could take advantage of what the government owes ‘em.

Obviously obesity is the easiest method; but alcohol, drugs (especially sharing needles), auto accidents, taking serious risks, extreme sports, tattooing with bad needles, travelling to areas where malaria or TB is rampant without taking precautions are all perfectly acceptable.

I’d even go so far as to recommend the military.

Get sick now!! Get hurt now!! Don’t wait!! Don’t procrastinate!! Take advantage of the health care you deserve!!

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