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Posted by aogFriday, 19 December 2008 at 11:40 TrackBack Ping URL

I have been peripherally following the Senate election mess in Minnesota and it struck me this morning how there’s such a definite pattern in these election result slugging matches, which is that the GOP candidate is initially ahead, but by a slim margin. The recounts start and continue, with continuing changing and loosening standards, until the Democratic Party candidate is ahead, and then the election result is finalized. That would be a good investigative effort for an enterprising journalist.

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cjm Friday, 19 December 2008 at 15:30

you are more likely to see a living Dodo bird than an “enterprising journalist”.

Harry Eagar Friday, 19 December 2008 at 20:40

You can go look at the questionable ballots at several places, notably at the Star-Tribune Internet edition.

Coleman just pulled a Gore: asked the court to exclude a whole category of voters because he suspects that class didn’t vote for him.

So Franken wins morally, like Hayes in Hayes v. Tilden.

Show me your evidence that the standards have ‘loosened.’

erp Saturday, 20 December 2008 at 07:35

“So Franken wins morally” — that’s something you don’t hear everyday.

Brad S Saturday, 20 December 2008 at 10:39

“So Franken wins morally, like Hayes in Hayes v. Tilden.”

And much like “Rutherfraud B. Hayes,” Franken will quickly learn the definition of Pyrrhic Victory. Enjoy the next 6 years, Al. We on the Right know we will.

Annoying Old Guy Saturday, 20 December 2008 at 16:35

Here’s one — 133 ballots cannot be found during the recount, but they are counted anyway despite the fact that the very point of a recount is to remove unverifiable votes. Naturally, the result favors the Democratic Party candidate.

Or the reversal of the Canvassing Board to look at rejected ballots, even though state law says that recounts should count only ballots accepted on Election Day.

And naturally, the Franken campaign is quite willing to lie to get these changes.

cjm Saturday, 20 December 2008 at 17:25

this is a perfect example of why th egop has to go, they just won’t fight.

erp Saturday, 20 December 2008 at 22:02

cjm, why do you think they won’t fight? It drives me crazy.

Annoying Old Guy Sunday, 21 December 2008 at 08:50

Actually, Coleman has been fighting quite a bit. Why this race struck me in particular was

  1. Al Franken. I mean, really.
  2. How, despite law and custom, the Democratic Party can get changes implemented that benefit it, and (presumptively) that those changes will stop occurring once their candidate is in the lead.
Brad S Sunday, 21 December 2008 at 20:21


I would humbly submit to you that an Al Franken in the Senate is quite useful to the GOP, more than a Norm Coleman is right now. Think of how much babysitting of Franken the Dem caucus will have to do. It, combined with other factors, is going to force Obama to carry a bunch of the load for his policy initiatives, something he’s not quite set up to do right now.

Really, how much of a “fight” should the GOP pursue right now? Sometimes, you gotta learn to hold your fire, especially if there’s no pressure on you to perform.

erp Monday, 22 December 2008 at 07:30

It’s not so much that we should be fighting for Coleman, but that we should be fighting against voter fraud and the abuse of the whole idea of voting being privilege for U.S. citizens taking the time to register legally and learn how to use the machines or fill in the ovals and who have the proper documentation.

I’d bet that if the rules for voting were enforced, the election results would have been quite different.

Annoying Old Guy Monday, 22 December 2008 at 15:13

More documentation on the vote counting in this election. Note that this has pictures of the actual ballots in question, so you can form your own opinion. The key thing to note is the arbitrariness of many decisions and how that is interpreted far more favorably to the Democratic Party candidate than any other candidate.

Annoying Old Guy Monday, 05 January 2009 at 13:20

More detail on this subject.

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